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Modding - The Way

Postby X-Calibar » Thu Sep 01, 2011 2:22 pm

Are there any mods of The Way? Expansions? etc...

I don't know if I'm really going to try to *mod* the way, but at the moment I've been upgrading a few of the songs for my own enjoyment. Each song is taking me about a day to do at the moment, so it's not exactly a swift process. But, I'm just learning the program!

I'll post samples of the songs as I make them, in case people are interested in leaving any feedback; they probably aren't the *final* version of the songs just so you know~
(These videos contain spoiler footage just so you know!)

Tower and A Reflective Sky
Double Vision - Knocking
Lexus
Strata's Theme
The Pits
The Lagoon
Into the breach
Catacomb
Urgent Action
Build Up
The Fighter Spirit NEW!


I am always starting things, but not finishing them... I'm trying to break that habit, but I'm just letting you know.

If I were to mod the game besides music... well...

*It might be fun to add extra challenges
Like in the song above, Double Knocking; have more Blue Scarves join in the fight, making it much more difficult to survive. Maybe, you only have to kill two or survive a certain amount of time, before the crowd steps in, and the Scarves, break the lights and make their escape.
Perhaps these added challenges could also be enabled and disabled.

*Add extra content to some areas
Like, Lun intended to flesh out the Tower originally... right? It might be fun to create a final dungeon worthy to end the chapters...

*Adding extra routes
This, would, be, awesome. But, I doubt I or anyone, would get around to it... If Rhue's choices affected what happens through the game : such as a route where you learn more about Scatha and the deep places she's been. Or a route to end up with Cetsa and lead the Blue Scarves, with a reprise major battle against that fame seeking girl who is sure to seek revenge against Rhue. As opposed to the primary Serena route.

*Voice acting
Well... I don't see this happening, too bad that other project fell through! I could at least voice one character...

*RPG 2003 or something port
I don't know how incompatible or hard it would be to upgrade* it to 2003. But, that would mean instead of something like 3 gigs of WAV files for the music....... [if they were all converted]. There could be just a few hundred megs of mp3s.
Also the regular battles could be converted to 2003 if new models were drawn for all the monsters... Not sure if there is any other reason to upgrade it...
I would like to merge all 6 chapters into one game, unless it has problems hosting all that content...

Anyways, right now I'm just doing a few songs... maybe that's all it will be...

Back to the original question...
Has anyone else modded The Way before?
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby Sage Of The Wise » Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:58 am

As for actual mods to the game, the only thing that comes to mind is in the fan features section of the site. There"s a circa 2004 easter egg addition by Tohama. At this point I have absolutely no idea what it is though lol. Anyway, I have actually thought of editing The Way so it all flowed as one episode. From a technical standpoint, there would be two major difficulties. One would be the overlap and switches/variables. Luckily through the way the games work, Lun does all the work for us, making that trivial in comparison. The other would be transferring the maps into one game. As far as I can tell it would be one huge clusterfuck of changing every reference of every map to its new id, which would take months of pain I'd imagine. Maybe an automated process would help a lot, I'm not sure how the map files are coded, maybe a few simple batch files could do it for all I know. I've just never really attempted it. My main reason for thinking about it is Ive always wondered how the series would flow as one game as opposed to a series. How would those cliff hangers feel without any pause? It would be an interesting play through that's for sure.
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby X-Calibar » Mon Sep 05, 2011 1:55 am

Added a new song...
>Lexus<

:D After hearing the *REAL* song, "Coming Home" music though, it needs a lot more work...
But, good enough for now...


Hmmm... thanks for the heads up! I will check out that easter egg...

Combining them into one game... I also wonder how it might affect the pacing of those scenes.

If you keep the Chapter format, but put them all into one game... You could maintain the same format pretty much. Just add a save at the end of each chapter's credits; and perhaps a title page for each chapter...

On the other hand, if you did away with the chapter format, and made it seemless.... Hmm...
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby Sage Of The Wise » Mon Sep 05, 2011 6:26 pm

Almost forgot, not actually a mod or anything, but there is the "Short Sketch" in EP5, a quick, self contained, but really well done scene that lun made, but can only be accessed through the coding. If you haven't seen that, I can upload a save file that can access it.
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby X-Calibar » Mon Sep 05, 2011 9:44 pm

Does it involve... the woolys?
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby Kcrazy » Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:49 pm

Yeah wat is it?
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby Sage Of The Wise » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:08 pm

X-Calibar wrote:Does it involve... the woolys?

Yes... that one.
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Postby X-Calibar » Tue Sep 06, 2011 12:38 pm

That's a funny cutscene... xD
I discovered it on youtube just the other day : the sketch
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby the fondler » Tue Sep 06, 2011 6:43 pm

If by modding you mean adding teleport events so I can watch the important/ my favorite scenes, then yes! The save spot outside The Girl's house is surrounded with mods.
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby X-Calibar » Wed Sep 07, 2011 1:07 am

Added a new song edit...
>Strata's Theme<

What do you think? Not good as a replacer? Anyyyyyyyyyything?


That teleporting events edit... is a mod yes! xD That's a pretty useful sounding mod actually...
When I am trying to find these scenes, I end up digging around for events looking for the one that plays the cutscene... It can be troublesome to find...! And setting variables? Argh!
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby Sage Of The Wise » Wed Sep 07, 2011 3:05 pm

The songs you've been doing are pretty cool, Lexus one the most. Though that might be partly because I love that scene you chose. So much subtlety in the background, with Rhorn following Lexus around and Traziun talking to Marasha in the background setting up his eventual bloodlyn trap.
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby X-Calibar » Wed Sep 07, 2011 5:23 pm

Ah! I always wondered who Tranziun was talking to right then... Marasha, is the casino's owner... Right?
That makes sense. Although, I don't think Rhue ever talks to her...

That was a good scene. I couldn't believe Lyrra pushed Rhue off the edge... and then Lexus enters the picture...
She was quite the surprise! And yes, many scenes of the way are loaded with details you might need to play a second time to catch!

Also, thanks for listening. :idea:
Most of the songs have no dynamics, and I've kept the MIDI mostly intact. But, maybe as I get better I can go back and keep it from being a single volume or pan. Getting the right balance of sound is tricky... (Maybe eventually I'll even try to remix something... But, let's not jump ahead of ourselves!)
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby Kcrazy » Thu Sep 08, 2011 1:58 am

I'm a big fan of the Strata theme, starts of comical and get darker as it goes.
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby X-Calibar » Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:27 am

Did another!

>The Pits<

It needs a lot more work ... But, I was tired of being in the Pits any longer.... ><
No offense Scatha!
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Re: Modding - The Way

Postby X-Calibar » Sat Sep 10, 2011 6:18 pm

And another...

>The Lagoon<

Always liked that one. When I finally heard it again in chapter 2, it just felt good. Like I'd returned home once again to the way...
I'm still not super happy with it though... any opinions? :P


EDIT:
I was also thinking about what might be in a mod...

If there were different routes to take in the game, I'd say the culmination of your choices should come down to the events that occur on Estrana's fateful day. If Estrana survived, it would be a very different outcome for Rhue.

Say, if for instance : Rhue didn't run out and miss Lexus' plunge. And instead of saving Kloe, you end up going to Val Parra.
During Lexus' fateful day, instead of running right away; maybe with her fighting spirit raised she runs after Slade initally and sees her father die. She doesn't have a sword I suppose, or she would have fought with Slade [she's good!].
She then runs, with HeWhoMustNotBeNamed hot on her tail, so she's being chased properly.
As they near Rhue, he catches up to her nearly; and she screams. Rhue would know that scream, and have a chance to properly save Lexus this time. He might be too much for Rhue to handle, but as long as you hold out until Slade arrives...
In any event, she lives, and their organization now marks Rhue an enemy, and will NOT be fufilling his desire to see Cetsa about the pendant.
If she lives, she might be able to try and organize a swift retaliation attack immediately for their treachery and her father's death; she knows all the details of what took place; putting you in a revenge mission to attack the umm... group (Aristozi?) with the guards or people who worked for her father (Um... The Order?) [you being with Lexus and Slade.]

If those events played out, Lexus might change a little after that long night. Rhue would be a bit different as well.

If the Aristozi were stopped then, the secret of Sacrifa wouldn't be revealed in the same way, and the wife might be spared.

Perhaps, Lexus would go on to fight Strata... Lyrra cheering for her "Champion" and Rhue there knowing what she has recently been through... and with Rhue's help she would WIN! (Or would she lose instead?)
Then Rhue would go on to fight Tranziun!!!! and you would lose...
But, in the end with Lexus vs Tranziun; Lexus would win the tournament...

If she instead lost to strata, then Rhue would go on to fight... Tranziun!!!!!!! and after a smoking hot battle, Tranziun whomps you, and loses to Strata like normal.

Or, Rhue would go on to fight Strata, like normal... with Lyrra cheering for her "Champion" and Lexus there, giving Rhue a new hope to win. Which now becomes possible... [Not easy, but not cheating impossible!]
Then that puts Lexus against Tranziun... If it isn't time for Tranziun to lose, she will put up a great fight and after losing ... Rhue vs Tranziun for the GOLD...

Or if Lexus WON and Tranziun decided it was okay to accelerate his plans to lose (Hey, a pumped Lexus isn't to be trifled with...) And assuming you didn't slow the Blood Lyn down by saving Kloe, then that would put....
Lexus vs Rhue........! That would be an interesting plunge.

If Rhue OR Lexus won (Is that the end of the tournament? Or did Strata have to face another opponent after Tranziun?); they could possibly attempt ask to pardon Cetsa/Dancing Violet.


Otherwise, if Strata wins as usual...
Then it would be up to Lexus, Tranziun and Rhue to plan her escape.



Or a completely different alternative :
If Lexus is unable to seek revenge after surviving the attack (perhaps she can't convince them about the traitor), then both Lexus and Rhue (and maybe Slade) would be in constant danger and a very different set of events leading up to the fateful day for Estrana would occur.

Perhaps they make it to the day, and help Sacrifa prevent his wife's death somehow. You go to save Cetsa with Lexus and Slade in tow this time, and reveal the truth behind the traitor. Things get out of control as usual; but Tranziun swoops in and distracts enough for you to make an escape. [Gaius might turn on the Traitor, or Tranziun might have a way to distract him]

That would put all of you from the run from the city, as it is locked down.
Yes, in this scenerio you would be on the run from :
The Aristozi
The Guided
The Order
The Guards
Anyone who saw you save Cetsa at the time
The Blood Lyn
And lands who knows what else

The mini-game would be to survive your escape of the city... to some location...
Perhaps before you get very far, or after you've exhausted your options to escape; someone loyal to Sacrifa tells you the way to the underground/the Mines/the Pits.

So, in that scenerio :
Rhue, Lexus, Cetsa, Slade?, Tranziun? would all be on the run from Estrana by descending deep into the depths.
(Is Janwen's ruins really under Estrana? Or was that just part of Dream Estrana? [That Lost City WAS Janwen right? Or was it supposed to be even deeper than that...?)

In any case, that would be a very different adventure if they ended up down there... Would probably bump into Scatha at some point. If Slade is with you, I wonder how they would interact? [Well at least how Scatha would...]

...
There would be no Dream Estrana probably since the PS didn't absorb all those auras. This means there would be an entirely different chapter 5 and 6 that would NOT explain the truth behind Serena.
I'm sure such a different direction would be fun, but I am not sure how purposeful it might be. You probably wouldn't learn the truth behind yourself and Serena. But, perhaps there are other things to experience and learn... Assuming Rhue becomes a different Rhue with all these different decisions and events.

Would this be a Cetsa route? Lexus and Cetsa together would be a troublesomely interesting combination. Would Dancing Violet in the flesh steal Lexus' attention, now that her idol is in front of her? Or will she have grown into her own woman after all these events?

...
Perhaps the pits escape would be better suited as a Scatha/Cetsa/Lexus route? (With bonus Lexus route?!)
Perhaps the dream estrana could be the Serena truth/Kloe route? (With bonus Lexus route?!)
And perhaps there could be one more major route for Lyrra/Fake Serena/Sorya... (With bonus Lexus route?!)

Lastly, a chapter 7 would be awesome ><
How would it continue after Dream Estrana?

Well... We know that time is very weird within the PS. Episode 6 occured within a few seconds, and it took AGES within the PS.
If Rhue decides to choose Lexus and live within the PS, his body or something jumps into the mists with the sword disappearing...
Rhue could live a small eternity with Lexus within Dream Estrana, before somehow having the PS ending up somewhere in the Way. Where someone finds the sword, possibly waking Rhue or another Aura within the sword that might take over the new owner's body? Is that even how the sword works? Or does the sword not possess a person; unless it's "Rhue/Anomoly"? If "Rhue" cannot take over a new body... Then perhaps with the death of the PS shadow, after all this time; he would become the new shadow?
Hmm...

Oh, one unrelated question :

What does the sword on the wall at Ballar's house during that attack in Ep2 do? It makes a clicking sound, but I never saw what it does... I guess I should cheat and look in the editor...
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