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Imoto wrote:As for why there are none of the landorin kids in Kura's sword, he was never there when they died, that was a different sword that Jeruh had, but the sword fled Jeruh after Kura/Midian killed him, since shadow swords don't seem to be able to coexist. At that point, only Jeruh's warped aura was absorbed.
Cyberares said:
I doubt Jeruh had an Illuminati. He didn't quite use it to kill evil people. They were just bullying him. Then of course, one could ask, how much does it take, before you are counted as evil?
Thantos said:
The main flaw with this is that Jeruh's sword doesn't behave as you'd expect an illuminati should. Jeruh feeling a strong desire to kill the other children would lead you to believe that it was a Shadow Sword.
Telephasion said:
First came the illuminati, they were used in a fight with the lord below, the illuminati were lost, but maybe they weren't really lost, but instead made into shadow swords by infusing them with a malign aura.
Aegis said:
Here's an interesting thought for you: What if a shadow sword keeps its auras even after it changes owners? This would mean that the sword Rhue posesses really was once Kura's sword. Midian found this sword, and used it to hunt down and kill Jeruh...
Brigas said:
That could be true, but considering Gaius told the truth, which is likely, the midian part is not possible.
CyberAgeis said:
So who is Rhue? It seems like, that we get that question when we complete with a normal ending. But once we started to analyze the game, the question became a lot bigger and far more important.
Aegis: But the question is, is the sword, that was used to kill Jeruh, a shadow sword and if so, what happened to the Jeruh's?
Sage of Wise said:
As for where the last remaining illuminati is, i dunno. Maby its buried in some sacred cave, maby Gaius has it.
Cyberares said:
I think it's a little sad we're ignoring the who Dirk/Scatha/Tetsel thing, but sadly, I doubt we know enough to make any conclusions. If Tetsel invented the way, how could he make all people in the world believe it? He would HAVE to be immortal or possibly carry a shadow sword.
Cyberares also said:
Well, I agree that Aubuta doesn't have to be a sword name, but one of you guys said Actura is a Illuminati name. So why does Shadow Swords have to have uninspired names?
Brigas said relatign to above:
I just kind of want to note too that however the swords having seemingless evil names, they can be interpreted too as evil's bane:
Jason flare said:
Alright, if Kura is Rhue, then where's Kura in Rhue's mind? I thought that was a former dominant aura.
Jabbo said: On the topic of Aubuta, maybe Aubuta is some sort of extremely ancient legend that was being circulated at the time Kalmar still looked like his actual age.
Asra said: I think Rhue is the mimic AKA: Venge. Since the Lord of the Pits is in there along with all those demons AND that other city. You need to remember that once someone gets too many auras they usually go crazy and kill themselves, which probably releases all of the auras in the sword, though I'm not sure if that redhead mentioned that. So in his crazed Schitzophrenic travels he probably absorbed all those auras on his own. It also goes with how powerful and almost evil he seems at the end of the Reaches Ending.
Asra also said: Though who do you think gave Jeruh HIS shadow sword? Did that silouhette look familiar? Well in anycase he could've just killed someone important to him and have been freaking out, so Jeruk took the sword and blah blah blah. Otherwise Serena wouldn't be in Dream Estrana. I like to think the nameless blonde is Serena though, since it ties most of the things together better as well. Plus why else would she gave a face portrait?
In conclusion Asra said (quite a few thigns, sheese):
So yeah, in conclusion hes probably the mimic or Vende, made immortal by the Shadow Sword/Illuminati(Though being the son of the lord of the pits he might be immortal either way). He could've killed someone named Kura at some point and took his identity before Kava knew him, so he would think of Rhue as Kura, along with everyone else. Or at least this is how I see things.
Cyberares said:
Asra: Okay, once again, we've got ONE poem to base Mimic on. ONE poem. He isn't mentioned anywhere else in the entire series
and Cyber ares said: He just copies people. That's all we know. Shadow Swords seem to do that, kinda, so that links it of course.
requiem said:
The Red-haired Woman (Whom many think to be Traziun's mother) says, and I quote:
"WOMAN: Of course you aren't him... it doesn't matter what your face looks like."
This means several people have (possibly) mistaken Rhue for seperate identities based upon his looks throughout the course of many of the episodes.
Do the multiple auras within Rhue make him look different to different people?
Shinami siad: would like quote the red haired woman in Ep6 about a few things concerning the Shadow Swords. Please remember that she mistook Rhue as the man out to kill her and even said that Rhue was always changing.
Dy3000 said:The mimic disappearing for a time is also just kind of like how the Illuminati disappeared for a while.
Jason flare wrote:Dy3000 wrote:
I do believe that the physical body that we know as Rhue is actually Midian and the personality we know as Rhue is just a creation.
Not even possible, no proof(Actual) leads to this. Plus in E6 there IS proof that defeats this.
Peneaesis said: If rhue is the mimic, how come, sometimes he absorbs people and they become dominant and sometimes not. I've theorised that when he kills jeruh he gets cocked up because Jeruh was cocked up and that stopped it from happening again.
but the sword is not power seeking. It explains it's motives quite clearly.He also said: Yep, If rhue's sword is a power seeking one that's a good explaination
fwacho wrote:Thantos said:
The main flaw with this is that Jeruh's sword doesn't behave as you'd expect an illuminati should. Jeruh feeling a strong desire to kill the other children would lead you to believe that it was a Shadow Sword.
I beleive this could just as easily be explained by human nature. (just watch the news)
fwacho wrote:
Telephasion said:
First came the illuminati, they were used in a fight with the lord below, the illuminati were lost, but maybe they weren't really lost, but instead made into shadow swords by infusing them with a malign aura.
so how might that change them?
fwacho wrote:Cyberares said:
I think it's a little sad we're ignoring the who Dirk/Scatha/Tetsel thing, but sadly, I doubt we know enough to make any conclusions. If Tetsel invented the way, how could he make all people in the world believe it? He would HAVE to be immortal or possibly carry a shadow sword.
Keep in mind the stuff said about personality destucit noafter too many auras... and the stuff Sage mentioned... then how would Tetzel live so long as one personality? Be creative.
fwacho wrote:Cyberares also said:
Well, I agree that Aubuta doesn't have to be a sword name, but one of you guys said Actura is a Illuminati name. So why does Shadow Swords have to have uninspired names?
Good question. yet...
fwacho wrote:Brigas said relatign to above:
I just kind of want to note too that however the swords having seemingless evil names, they can be interpreted too as evil's bane:
Yes they could. double meaning is very possible.
fwacho wrote:Asra said: I think Rhue is the mimic AKA: Venge. Since the Lord of the Pits is in there along with all those demons AND that other city. You need to remember that once someone gets too many auras they usually go crazy and kill themselves, which probably releases all of the auras in the sword, though I'm not sure if that redhead mentioned that. So in his crazed Schitzophrenic travels he probably absorbed all those auras on his own. It also goes with how powerful and almost evil he seems at the end of the Reaches Ending.
Then why isn't Venge dead already? (that should keep you up at night)
fwacho wrote:In conclusion Asra said (quite a few thigns, sheese):
So yeah, in conclusion hes probably the mimic or Vende, made immortal by the Shadow Sword/Illuminati(Though being the son of the lord of the pits he might be immortal either way). He could've killed someone named Kura at some point and took his identity before Kava knew him, so he would think of Rhue as Kura, along with everyone else. Or at least this is how I see things.
but why didn't he go insane and kill himself? like what eventually happens to all other possesors of shadow swords.
fwacho wrote:there is something very major in common with Midian and Jeruh... see if you can figure out what it is.
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.fwacho wrote:Cyberares said:
I think it's a little sad we're ignoring the who Dirk/Scatha/Tetsel thing, but sadly, I doubt we know enough to make any conclusions. If Tetsel invented the way, how could he make all people in the world believe it? He would HAVE to be immortal or possibly carry a shadow sword.
Keep in mind the stuff said about personality destucit noafter too many auras... and the stuff Sage mentioned... then how would Tetzel live so long as one personality? Be creative
I'll take "Tetzel and the final illuminati" for $600 please.
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