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Postby Kcrazy » Fri Sep 23, 2011 12:18 am

So Sage had a topic in Estrana about older post and how weird it was looking back. Well Inspired by this I took a look back and came across an interesting topic about images seen when Rhue absorbs his aura in episode four. The images are weird and vary in style, ones particularly easy to decipher while the others are a little more abstract. Just wandering if anyone else has seen them cause I definitely missed them in game and also if someone could shed some light as to what they are.

On a side note, it's pretty funny reading what people knew about The Way then versus now, the theories that were floating around.

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Re: Old Post

Postby Sage Of The Wise » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:58 am

Well, lets go through them now.

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Not really sure what we're seeing here, its hard to tell exactly how many figures are in the picture. It could be bodies washing up on the shore. The slight blood trail also makes me think of the dead bodies found near the beginning of EP2, but I really don't have a good idea on this one.

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This one is pretty clear in retrospect. Its the Landorin Massacre, and now we can identify all the figures. Jeruh is the one with the sword, Serena is the one without a head, Lyrra is screaming off to the side, and Midian is floating down the river. No one would have expected that before EP6.

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This is the most obscure one. The sun flare implies its the sky, and its blood red, isn't this how the one guy in EP6 describes the rolling mists?

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Simple one compared to the rest, its the first scene in EP1, and the blood represents the PS.
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Re: Old Post

Postby Kcrazy » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:07 am

The first one is the only one I'm not so sure about. Like you said it's hard to tell exactly how many people are in it the picture but it appears to be two, one standing up and the other cut into pieces on the ground. Not sure what scene to relate it to. The other three I agree with you, definitely the Landorin Massacre, I'd say Rolling Mist is the only thing that would make sense that's Way related, and no doubt the opening scene from the series.

As far as not being able to predict the correct people in the Landorin Massacre, some on in that topic was pretty close, I think maybe even had the right people just off on motive.
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Re: Old Post

Postby X-Calibar » Mon Sep 26, 2011 12:10 pm

Here's what I see :

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Image

Image

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I thought that on the upper left, looked like a butterfly...
But, on second look; maybe two blood red eyes, and from its mouth dribbling blood.

I'd have to watch the soul swapping part again, but perhaps with the combination of Rhue, Jeruh, Phantom Slasher; there was created Our Rhue and the PS shadow?

Alternatively, these are the various dominant auras/shadows : Rhue, Jeruh's creation... Must find Serena. Jeruh, the creator of the Rhue persona, hidden but was always there.
Phantom Slasher, the unknown existence, that gives life to...
"Our Rhue, the perfect slayer of any evil", whether it be human or monster?

Also, double alternatively :
The blood picture is a picture of the blank host body. The Mimic or whoever he could be.

Just some guesses~
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Re: Old Post

Postby Kcrazy » Mon Sep 26, 2011 9:35 pm

I like you picture one idea, the outlining helped out cause now I can def see Jeruh stumbling on the two shadow figures, which helps tie the images together a little better. With two images being the night of the Landorin Massacre and one being of the beginning of the Way, all being memories of the Jeruh/Rhue aura. Which makes the red image all that more odd to me cause it doesn't seem to tie in. I agree with Sage, it looks like the description the guy gives about the mist.
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Postby X-Calibar » Mon Sep 26, 2011 10:59 pm

I'm assuming that the pictures aren't really supposed to represent memories as much as the various dominant auras that make up your player/Our Rhue.

Maybe Rhue, Jeruh, Our Rhue, and the Phantom Slasher all have their own auras or shadows?
Rhue was originally a persona created by Jeruh, and would be actually Jeruh...

But, now there is a seperate Rhue shadow/aura within the Phantom Slasher. Possibly created by the Phantom Slasher. He is a false creation, but the strength of this persona is overwhelming.

Jeruh's aura is the original Rhue/Jeruh, which also exists within the Phantom Slasher. He has the truth within, but it is pretty much locked away... literally.

Our Rhue, has yet another aura different than Rhue, and Jeruh... He probably gained his own Aura during this scene? He is reality or what has been our experiences throughout the game probably.

They all seem to share one body, all with similar thoughts and ideas; but Our Rhue is the dominant aura. It almost doesn't matter, except once freed from the Phantom Slasher, or master of the Phantom Slasher; he supposebly is now the one left with the Mimic's body.

ALTERNATIVELY, perhaps you are right, and all the pictures are connected. They are the locked away truth of what happened?
Pic 1 - You find the sword.
Pic 2 - You kill Serena, etc.
Pic 3 - You lose your mind to the sword, searching for Serena; maybe leaving a trail of bodies? Since he doesn't have the Phantom Slasher sword I guess? He is influenced by the whichever sword he has. But, eventually loses it I guess?
Pic 4 - Our Rhue with the PS.

I like the aura idea more, only because the scene is dealing with losing/gaining auras and crazy experiments like that. Although, perhaps he was able to see the truth when the various auras became free momentarily?
EDIT: Or perhaps, since the current Rhue is ... an oddity of life. The various pictures represent the fragments that make up Our Rhue's aura.


As for the mist stuff... Perhaps that Mist is actually, the Mimic, or the many bits and pieces of auras that have been collected by the PS over time. I mean the Mist WITHIN Dream Estrana is most likely unrepresentative of the actual Rolling Mists, as Dream Estrana isn't really representative of The Way's Estrana. It is more of an interpetation of some Aura's memories/shadows.

[only played the Way once, so I'm probably totally off :O]
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Re: Old Post

Postby Sage Of The Wise » Thu Sep 29, 2011 1:04 am

He probably gained his own Aura during this scene?

That's an interesting idea, but I don't think so. The scene plays out like this, Jopaga uses the formula on Rhue, a lot of it, and he prepares to absorb Rhue's aura, but then Rhue apparently reabsorbs it, just like he seemed to do with Cade. But what it really is is the sword absorbing it obviously. Hell, it even levels up. So basically, after this point Rhue is in a state where his aura is attached to the sword and not him (which is probably terrible for ones sanity). Its after this point that he gains access to Dream Estrana, which makes sense, with his aura now owning a summer home there.
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Re: Old Post

Postby X-Calibar » Thu Sep 29, 2011 12:08 pm

That seems to be a sound explanation... but, what about the pictures? Don't they hold some significance into what is transpiring? ...... I really need to- (YES WE KNOW! YOU NEED TO PLAY IT AGAIN!)

I guess you could say that those images are all part of Rhue's aura.

Although...

Did the sword level up because it absorbs Rhue's aura?
Did the sword level up because it absorbs Cade's aura?
Did the sword level up because it absorbs Lyrra's father's aura?

One common link, yes it absorbs a new aura. That could explain it simply.
But... Why does Lyrra's father unlock powers? Rhue can kill countless people throughout the game.
Why doesn't Rhue level up any other time?

Well, what else do the two events have in common...

Both are connected to the Landorin/Rhue/Jeruh events.
-Lyrra's father, who was there in the aftermath of the massacre.

-I don't know about Cade. But, during the Aura shifting; we got pictures probably related to Landorin/Rhue/Jeruh events.

Both are emotional turning points?
-Deciding to kill Lyrra's father as per his wishes probably affected him heavily.

-During the aura shift event, maybe you are catching glimpses of the truth of what happened. Perhaps Rhue saw the truth right then, and even though it was "just a dream" or "incomprehensible"; it could have affected him heavily.

Both are beneficial to the Phantom's power?
-Deciding to kill Lyrra's father eliminates any weakness or hesitation Rhue might have had about killing. Marking a milestone in Rhue becoming a slayer.

-If Rhue/Mimic has an aura of his own like your theory. (Leftovers from Jeruh?) Now that it has been absorbed by the sword. The Phantom has greater control or influence on Rhue. Thus, why he is locked in the tower?

Both are beneficial to Rhue's identity?
-Killing Lyrra's father, hides a piece/side of the truth Rhue could have discovered. If he had known about Lyrra, he might have discovered the truth.

-During the aura shift, maybe like your theory says, Rhue's aura is absorbed into the sword; and this gives the Phantom the ability to better hide the truth, by burying the auras and their information within itself. No more dreams about the truth. (Maybe the moment the world was created within? Not Dream Estrana yet, but soon to be?)

Rhue or Cade, and Lyrra's father have amazing powers
-Lyrra's father happened to wield the powers of fire and air...

-Rhue (or Cade) wields transcendent powers


Also -
There are Four images... and four powers are gained for your sword...
A connection perhaps?
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Re: Old Post

Postby Kcrazy » Thu Sep 29, 2011 2:21 pm

Sage Of The Wise wrote:That's an interesting idea, but I don't think so. The scene plays out like this, Jopaga uses the formula on Rhue, a lot of it, and he prepares to absorb Rhue's aura, but then Rhue apparently reabsorbs it, just like he seemed to do with Cade. But what it really is is the sword absorbing it obviously. Hell, it even levels up. So basically, after this point Rhue is in a state where his aura is attached to the sword and not him (which is probably terrible for ones sanity). Its after this point that he gains access to Dream Estrana, which makes sense, with his aura now owning a summer home there.


If his aura was absorbed by the sword, and the sword was destroyed be Trazium, then is Rhue auraless at the end of episode six?
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Re: Old Post

Postby Sage Of The Wise » Sat Oct 01, 2011 11:50 pm

I had actually been thinking about that when I was writing that. I don't think he's auraless, at least based on what we've seen that's like. So maybe breaking the sword releases the auras as opposed to destroying them, and he just regained his.
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Re: Old Post

Postby Kcrazy » Sun Oct 02, 2011 2:15 pm

Sage Of The Wise wrote:I had actually been thinking about that when I was writing that. I don't think he's auraless, at least based on what we've seen that's like. So maybe breaking the sword releases the auras as opposed to destroying them, and he just regained his.


Yeah I think it's an interesting topic that we haven't really given much thought. I always felt Rhue original identity was auraless, seeing how he seems to be effected by the shadow sword differently then the others who have used them. Granted the only other person we have with extended use of a shadow sword is Kalmar. For the most part he seems normal, so I always believed their was something unique about Rhue that gave him the reaction to the sword. And what I came up with is Rhue is auraless which allow new auras to flow in and out.
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Re: Old Post

Postby Sage Of The Wise » Sun Oct 02, 2011 5:02 pm

Huge amounts of speculation on this one, but probably the most complete theory on Rhue's origins would make him 'Venge', the son of the Lord Below, who's aura was destroyed in that aura-destroying blast during the destruction of Janwen. So after that he would be auraless. But according to Jopaga aura's grow back or somthing
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