What do you see in these pics?

[Impossible]

Maybe you should edit your post so that they're in chronological order. Since the last one is where E1 began, that leads me to believe, as I said, that something important happened around that time. Was that the first strike of the Phantom Slasher?

[Telephalsion]

HURRY SINOVA

[Excell]

Maybe you should edit your post so that they're in chronological order. Since the last one is where E1 began, that leads me to believe, as I said, that something important happened around that time. Was that the first strike of the Phantom Slasher?

Yep, it was.

[Sinova]

If you want to see these pics for yourself, find the map in Episode 4 called, "The Vision" and set the hero starting point at 009, 007.

[Impossible]

They're in the "Picture" folder of E4, too, just type in "est" and it should bring you down to them ("EstranaAPicture#"). Interestingly enough, there are three files starting with "E5" in there.

And well, we don't know for a fact that was the first strike, but it likely was, since you never heard anything about mysterious deaths without anything being taken before then (towards the end of E1, the description of the people killed by the PS matches that of the people Rhue was with at the start of E1). What we need to work out is why it was the first strike.

[Excell]

I thought you meant in the game.

[HumanBean17]

I just can't believe I've never noticed those before. But I did notice in Episode 4 that I thought I saw some people and a tent. I should have looked into... d'oh.

[Valhariel]

Hmm.....these pictures definitely leave things open for speculation, so I'll spout off a few possible theories and see what everyone thinks of them. Well....as for the first picture, the black and white outline....this definitely seems to be the Landorin Massacre. The girl in the lower right is probably Lyrra, and the girl getting carried away by the water is probably "Serena". The big question is though.....who are the two figures in the center? I think that it's either Rhue, Jeruh, or Midian who are killing/being killed. I'm not sure yet which I would say is which, though. I have a few ideas though, and some supporting logic behind them. From what I've seen, it is more likely that Rhue is the one holding the sword and is attacking the other figure

I believe that, since nobody seems to recall Rhue's name, or Serena's, that they aren't real names. They're just names that Rhue's skewed mind came up with to give to the people in his memories. I think the girl that Rhue saw in Dream Estrana may have been "Serena", but she may have gone by a different name. I can't explain how she could be there unless Rhue had killed her. But maybe....the reason she is floating down the river is because Rhue just attacked her with his sword and killed her, knocking her body into the river. Thus, he would have absorbed her aura this way.

Rhue then proceeds to kill the other figure standing there, while Lyrra takes off running back to find Jed. I think that Rhue isn't really Rhue....I think that he is Jeruh, Lyrra's brother. I think the other figure that Rhue killed was Midian. In Dream Estrana, you see Midian and he is looking for Jed in order to find Jeruh, since he might want revenge on Jeruh. It is also possible that the sword Rhue has is actually Midian's sword, and he wants it back. I don't know how Rhue could have gotten the sword away from Midian though, considering Rhue would have been a child at the time....

This would also explain why Lyrra was never able to talk about the Landorin Massacre, since she could never bring herself to say that she saw her brother, a child, murder two people.......well, these are just a few ideas I have about this picture, so feel free to give any criticism you like....

I also believe the guilt from having done this is what created the Phantom Slasher persona inside of him. I believe the Phantom Slasher is actually Rhue's true feelings, just having been repressed thanks to the power of his sword. The sword allowed him to bury his feelings beneath the many auras that he has absorbed over time.



As for the second picture......it appears to be a vision of some sort....maybe a representation of what Rhue went through. We don't know what happened to him between the time he was a child and when he grew up, so this could be a reflection of all the pain and guilt he felt over having murdered two people, one of who was probably one of his very close friends. The whole idea of him searching for Serena could be his mind's way of justifying it and trying to make amends for killing her. I don't know though.....I just think it reflects the torment he felt and how he manifested that grief into the Phantom Slasher side, by making it stronger.


The third picture looks to be two figures finding two bodies. Hmm...now that I look at it more closely, the figures standing look to be an adult and a child, considering the figure at the top is larger than the one at the lower right. The two dead figures look to be a child and an adult as well.......the dead adult figure.....hmm...it also looks like the body is actually -holding- a sword too. He is laying stretched out, and it looks like he is gripping the sword. The pink outline next to him is also in the shape of a sword's blade. It looks like there is blood on the sword too.......could this be related to the memory Rhue has of when he found his sword. He said he got it from two men who didn't even bother to look at him. He could have gotten it in this scene, when he took it from the body. Rhue could have been the child in this picture....but that would negate the idea I proposed above of Rhue being the one to murder Midian.... well, so far, each of my ideas, based on the pictures, are independent from one another, so let's just analyze them on a case by case basis. It'll be simpler that way....

Anyway, the third picture just seems to be the scene we saw at the beginning of Episode 1, of Rhue leaving the encampment. If you look on Rhue's back, you can even make out his scabbard, so we can be sure it's him. The red part on the left part of the picture could also reflect how the Phantom Slasher was beginning to manifest itself again.


Hmm.....well, I guess this concludes my rant for now. I'll probably post again once I come up with some new ideas and the like. Please feel free to comment on my theories all you want. And remember everyone....Lun rules!!!

[Telephalsion]

Hmm.....these pictures definitely leave things open for speculation, so I'll spout off a few possible theories and see what everyone thinks of them. Well....as for the first picture, the black and white outline....this definitely seems to be the Landorin Massacre. The girl in the lower right is probably Lyrra, and the girl getting carried away by the water is probably "Serena". The big question is though.....who are the two figures in the center? I think that it's either Rhue, Jeruh, or Midian who are killing/being killed. I'm not sure yet which I would say is which, though. I have a few ideas though, and some supporting logic behind them. From what I've seen, it is more likely that Rhue is the one holding the sword and is attacking the other figure

I believe that, since nobody seems to recall Rhue's name, or Serena's, that they aren't real names. They're just names that Rhue's skewed mind came up with to give to the people in his memories. I think the girl that Rhue saw in Dream Estrana may have been "Serena", but she may have gone by a different name. I can't explain how she could be there unless Rhue had killed her. But maybe....the reason she is floating down the river is because Rhue just attacked her with his sword and killed her, knocking her body into the river. Thus, he would have absorbed her aura this way.

Rhue then proceeds to kill the other figure standing there, while Lyrra takes off running back to find Jed. I think that Rhue isn't really Rhue....I think that he is Jeruh, Lyrra's brother. I think the other figure that Rhue killed was Midian. In Dream Estrana, you see Midian and he is looking for Jed in order to find Jeruh, since he might want revenge on Jeruh. It is also possible that the sword Rhue has is actually Midian's sword, and he wants it back. I don't know how Rhue could have gotten the sword away from Midian though, considering Rhue would have been a child at the time....

This would also explain why Lyrra was never able to talk about the Landorin Massacre, since she could never bring herself to say that she saw her brother, a child, murder two people.......well, these are just a few ideas I have about this picture, so feel free to give any criticism you like....

I also believe the guilt from having done this is what created the Phantom Slasher persona inside of him. I believe the Phantom Slasher is actually Rhue's true feelings, just having been repressed thanks to the power of his sword. The sword allowed him to bury his feelings beneath the many auras that he has absorbed over time.



As for the second picture......it appears to be a vision of some sort....maybe a representation of what Rhue went through. We don't know what happened to him between the time he was a child and when he grew up, so this could be a reflection of all the pain and guilt he felt over having murdered two people, one of who was probably one of his very close friends. The whole idea of him searching for Serena could be his mind's way of justifying it and trying to make amends for killing her. I don't know though.....I just think it reflects the torment he felt and how he manifested that grief into the Phantom Slasher side, by making it stronger.


The third picture looks to be two figures finding two bodies. Hmm...now that I look at it more closely, the figures standing look to be an adult and a child, considering the figure at the top is larger than the one at the lower right. The two dead figures look to be a child and an adult as well.......the dead adult figure.....hmm...it also looks like the body is actually -holding- a sword too. He is laying stretched out, and it looks like he is gripping the sword. The pink outline next to him is also in the shape of a sword's blade. It looks like there is blood on the sword too.......could this be related to the memory Rhue has of when he found his sword. He said he got it from two men who didn't even bother to look at him. He could have gotten it in this scene, when he took it from the body. Rhue could have been the child in this picture....but that would negate the idea I proposed above of Rhue being the one to murder Midian.... well, so far, each of my ideas, based on the pictures, are independent from one another, so let's just analyze them on a case by case basis. It'll be simpler that way....

Anyway, the third picture just seems to be the scene we saw at the beginning of Episode 1, of Rhue leaving the encampment. If you look on Rhue's back, you can even make out his scabbard, so we can be sure it's him. The red part on the left part of the picture could also reflect how the Phantom Slasher was beginning to manifest itself again.


Hmm.....well, I guess this concludes my rant for now. I'll probably post again once I come up with some new ideas and the like. Please feel free to comment on my theories all you want. And remember everyone....Lun rules!!!

Geez thats a long post!

The red part on the picture is a butterfly... look closely

And this sword who is being held by a dead person could and probably is Rhue's current sword

[DarkSorcerer]

Hmm.....these pictures definitely leave things open for speculation, so I'll spout off a few possible theories and see what everyone thinks of them. Well....as for the first picture, the black and white outline....this definitely seems to be the Landorin Massacre. The girl in the lower right is probably Lyrra, and the girl getting carried away by the water is probably "Serena". The big question is though.....who are the two figures in the center? I think that it's either Rhue, Jeruh, or Midian who are killing/being killed. I'm not sure yet which I would say is which, though. I have a few ideas though, and some supporting logic behind them. From what I've seen, it is more likely that Rhue is the one holding the sword and is attacking the other figure

I think this is like Final Fantasy VII where the main character stole the Identity of someone else... cuz in one of the way a head hunter called Rhue, Midian... Maybe Rhue is actually Midian but stole the identity of the real Rhue... but then freaked out at the Landorin Massacre and forgot his true self... I dont care if this idea is too farfetched but its an idea...

or he is Midian but absorbed Rhue's Aura. I thought this because of his vision of Midian "Looking for someone" so maybe Midian was actually looking for someone but his two selfs absorbed together and got confused I dont know but i kinda like my ideas...

[Telephalsion]

ahem *cough*

This means that the person Rhue and Gaius killed was Rhue.

Nah it's all wrong in fact Gaius Arua was also replaced into DIppy's aura and vice versa

[OverlordBill]

Where... How... No. I don't want to know.

[Clara]

ahem *cough*

Nooow everything make sense

[Telephalsion]

Courtesy of Darkknight89

[TempestTide]

Hmmmmmm, but when is Rhue going to kill Bob Saget? We could do without.

Well, that first diagram makes a bit of sense, but the person who Rhue switched with could be anyone, not Midian. Thought Midian is a big possibility.