BETA TOPIC: Your thoughts on the endings?

[SpaceBoy2000]

Hm really...eh maybe I still don't know about that, but i'm glad it shows that Cetsa MAY not have died in it I understand what you mean about him having a firm descision on what he wants but I still think it's kind of scary and wrong but oh well.

Why exactly scary and wrong? Yes, he decided to accept a different plane of reality to live in with someone he loves. Is that so wrong of him?

[Lumino]

Yes it is. Wanting everything your way is the way a child acts. An adult learns that sometimes life doesn't go the way you want it to, but you have to keep on living it regardless. You can't choose to make reality the way you want it, you have to make do with the cards you are dealt. Life has no room for cheaters.

[Cyberg-Ares]

Yes it is. Wanting everything your way is the way a child acts. An adult learns that sometimes life doesn't go the way you want it to, but you have to keep on living it regardless. You can't choose to make reality the way you want it, you have to make do with the cards you are dealt. Life has no room for cheaters.

But that's the difference. He CAN choose to make reality the way he wants it. Didn't you notice that he leaps away from Gaius, and then has the ability to enter the sword world, so why can't ge leave again and come back as he pleases?

Miss Nothingness Highness: It's living memories. These are the Auras of people. Their souls. Actually thinking entities. That's the way I understood it at least. I mean, they grow, and change in how they think. Except Slade, since it seems it's only part of his Aura there, because was was only a little connected with the sword.

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I just looked in the old episodes, to makem ore sense of things. We never got an explanation of why Rhue is called Midian in Ep.2 by the headhunter. We also get a nice time line of when things happened, since the same headhunter says he walked with Rhue "A few weeks ago". Perhaps Midian IS the Rhue we play as. The Midian we meet in The City, is the Auru that was pushed out by the Jeruh aura. And the reason he is so keen on killing Jeruh in the Normal Ending, is because he is Midian. Makes sense.

But another thing remains unexplained. The Jeruh/Midian/Lyrra version of the place where Serena is killed, is different than the one Rhue remembers, and which is the one we see in the real world, with Traziun, Gaius, Kloe, Strata and Rhue.

Because of this, I'm confused. The first thing points to the story being true, and that Rhue's body is the one for Midian, that Jeruh is just Jeruh, but then who is the person we play as? A copied aura of Jeruh?

The second thing points to the whole thing being a lie, and Serena might actually still be alive. But then, how do we explain that the Headhunter call's Rhue Midian?


Oh, and the guy is in the room "M 2 O" Is called "3 6 4 _11 8 6 16 1 7". What do you suppose this means? I think as said before, that he was the one who killed the guy, who had Jeruh's sword in his back. And "M 2 O" is also a book in Sorya's house.


If your relationship with Kloe is 6 in the normal ending, Rhue adds "(If this isn't Landorin) Why do I remember this place???"

This kinda messes things up again. Points away from Rhue being Midian, and points to him being one of the other weird characters. Tetsel or Kura perhaps?

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Certainly, there's is still a lot to explain. I'm starting to think that LunC just said that this is the final episode to get a break. I mean, there's a difference between being ambiguous and plot holes. I know he likes people to debate this stuff, but I think most people would prefer an actual full ending. I like this one here, true enough. It's different, because it seems like that you need all the endings to get a complete ending and understanding, even though they don't say the same. One is a look into the mind, one is an explanation and the final is a conclusion. Not none of them really fulfill the story.

[brigas]

I think the unsanswered questions are intentional.
in the phantom of the concert house side quest we get to talk to the phantom and to see his masterpiece.
It's a painting whit a piece ripped out.
The Phantom tells Rhue that he painted it and then ripped it off.
He did it because he thought it was better that way.
Maybe we can take that as an anology being that Lun created the Way and then left many questions unanswered.
He did it because he thought it looked better that way.

note that this is pure speculation, there is no concrete proof, nor has Lun said anything( at least i havent heard) about this.

[Miss Nothingness Highness]

I STILL think that the Lexus ending shouldn't be the real one. To plainly put I think it's wrong because Rhue is giving up the living to be with the dead and I think thats WRONG. Wrong because the fact that she died and he's still alive, its not like when he dies he's NEVER going to see her ever again. I think he should actually use what time he has alive to be with the living because he WILL see Lexus again.

And also what I find so wrong as well is that I think the sword keeps the souls or auras in itself so it's kind of like a hell, and if it hadn't been for what happened in the normal ending I don't think those souls could be free and be with other people whom weren't murdered by the sword. And if thats the case I really don't like the ending. But even if the sword was destroyed and the dream estrana kept their souls then I think then maybe it would be alright for Rhue to be with Lexus.

I just don't approve of of the Lexus ending because it makes me think that Lexus is Rhue's ONLY happiness and perhaps only purpose to be among the way. It's sweet and all but in reality I think someone condeming their soul to an eternal hell to be with someone isn't right. But thats just what I think and thats how it will stand. I'm not saying I won't like the ending but I just don't like the idea

[belgarath68]

Sorry to be asking the same sort of questions here, but I've only played the normal ending (*sigh* and I thought I'd done everything except finish the tournament, the Jopaga puzzle and enter the Reaches door).
So, I'm assuming to get Lexus, you have to be nice to her (I saw her in the upper-most right hand corner of the screen at the very end of Episode 4 with the fight with Strata, so I assumed I did well. Maybe I just shouldn't have gotten Sorya to get the other endings?

Edit: Sweet Merciful Crap! I just looked Ep6 in RPG Maker...I missed out on so much...*weeps*

[Victor]

Do we even know if there is some sort of heaven in The Way? Perhaps souls just fade away when the person dies. If so, then the world within the sword can be just as much a heaven as a hell.

I haven't finished yet, so I may be ignorant of some information, but there was quite a bit of pre-EP6 discussion into whether the shadow swords and the illuminate swords were one and the same. Similarly, the world within the sword can be both a heaven or a hell, it all depends on what each person makes of their life there, just as the difference between a shadow sword and an illuminati sword might just be the wielder.

[belgarath68]

There is a mention of the "Upper Way" in one of the episodes, and I just assumed that would be the equivelant of heaven.
Good point, however Damn Lun and his making us think

[Bender]

When something's mentioned once, it inevitably comes into consideration for people's theories. There's nothing to imply that the "dream estrana" is anything but a delusion of Rhue's mind, populated with the auras absorbed by his sword. It doesn't make any sense to me that the dream estrana is the upper way, even if it does have heavenlike qualities.

[Victor]

I didn't mean to say that it was the Upper Way. I was just making a point to the people claiming that the world inside the sword was like a hell by pointing out that it could be seen as either, specially if there is no real heaven.

The Lower Way, at least, seems to be a tangible place. Well, I'm assuming the Reaches, the Lower Way, the place Sacrifa was digging towards, etc are all one and the same, or at least closely located.

Some people have also mentioned the possibility of the Upper Way being the place where Traziun loosed untold amounts of pains upon many unfortunate lyn.

[Miss Nothingness Highness]

O_O who said heaven!?

I don't see how it can be a heaven but more as the first level of hell. If you ever read on the first level of hell it's a place where it's forever peaceful but with a sad prescence forever lingering. I think of it that way but I'm not so against the Lexus ending anymore because someone's supreme happiness can be ANYTHING no matter how crazy, sad, or insane is might be. And since no one knows the meaning of life I don't really see him being with her as his purpose in life is all that wrong anymore. It's just a sad and bittersweet way to go.

Gee...Lun must be watching some crazy soaps lately to have made this XD

[Victor]

Hrm, it's been a while since I read Dante's Inferno -- not that I finished it, but I read a good bit of it. I remembered an early level being a swamp full of people and for some reason thought that even the first level was similar. Wikipedia quickly got me up to speed.

That's definitely an interesting comparison. At first I was going to object on the grounds that Dream Estrana didn't have any sort of spiritual presence causing sadness to its inhabitants -- they all seem to continue living life as if nothing were wrong. On the other hand, then I remembered that a lot of Dream Estrana was still destroyed, with floors and walls missing, and most importantly, in the middle of an endless yellow space. I can certainly see now that even if the city is fixed, it's still just one city, and you're stuck in it forever, in the middle of nothingness.

I can definitely see the "hellish" quality of it now more clearly, though I still hold that it can be either, depending on what one makes of their life there. So to Rhue it'd be more heaven than hell.

[Jasonflare]

Rhue cannot be Midian because evidence points otherwise.

1. Kavax calls Rhue Kura. This is possible and there's no point of Kavax lying.
2. Gaius mentions Rhue's been around for a long time. Gaius is a senser, therefore, it's very unlikely he's wrong.

[belgarath68]

I think what people meant was that perhaps "Rhue" took Midian's aura in a way similar to Jeruh, so at some stage he thought he was Midian. So the Kura theory is still possible.

[Miss Nothingness Highness]

Hrm, it's been a while since I read Dante's Inferno -- not that I finished it, but I read a good bit of it. I remembered an early level being a swamp full of people and for some reason thought that even the first level was similar. Wikipedia quickly got me up to speed.

That's definitely an interesting comparison. At first I was going to object on the grounds that Dream Estrana didn't have any sort of spiritual presence causing sadness to its inhabitants -- they all seem to continue living life as if nothing were wrong. On the other hand, then I remembered that a lot of Dream Estrana was still destroyed, with floors and walls missing, and most importantly, in the middle of an endless yellow space. I can certainly see now that even if the city is fixed, it's still just one city, and you're stuck in it forever, in the middle of nothingness.

I can definitely see the "hellish" quality of it now more clearly, though I still hold that it can be either, depending on what one makes of their life there. So to Rhue it'd be more heaven than hell.

I think what i'm trying to say is, that it's far from being heaven but really a hell and the only heaven there is, is with the people. How they percieve it.

Is content with her rant now