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Postby Sarcasm » Tue Apr 11, 2006 5:00 pm

I shall stop arguing, We will clearly never agree, And thus this is pointless.
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Postby Imoto » Tue Apr 11, 2006 8:46 pm

The Lord Below is not necessarily Evil, but from a relative perspective, he's evil in that he has in one way or another become antagonistic to humans.

I doubt Lun draws it so black and white, but that's the way he's having the situation develope for the audience.
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Postby Legend of the Past » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:08 am

Well, Lun can't help it if he does: He's just human, humans divide things into black and white naturally, because it's exremely hard for them to see other colors. Again, if the Lord Below isn't evil either, then my argument is null, but if he is, then The Way clearly has that division.
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Postby Sarcasm » Wed Apr 12, 2006 5:01 am

At that, You are incorrect, I have explained to you in the last page that the lord below could as well be "evil" and I would still remain right.
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Postby Legend of the Past » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:26 am

And I have explained throughout the thread that Lun is still, just human, although a genius one. He is not immune to the issues that plague all mankind, one of them is the psychological phenomenon of forming a division between good and evil. If you claim he has, in fact, overcome such a barrier, I would love to see your explanation of it. Lun has an incredible mind, but that doesn't make it any less human, nor does his mind transcend the human mind.

It doesn't matter who's under which tag, good and evil DO exist, because it's a STORY. From a man's MIND.
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Postby Sarcasm » Wed Apr 12, 2006 7:49 am

I cannot understand your logic, I do not call some things good and some things evil, I believe good and evil do not exists period. Ethics depend on the prospective, But ethics have nothing to do with terms of imagery sides.

"Good" and "evil" are the fruits of labor of romantic fools and self righteous zealots. Just an illusion, Nothing more.
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Postby Legend of the Past » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:01 am

Sarcasm wrote:I cannot understand your logic, I do not call some things good and some things evil, I believe good and evil do not exists period. Ethics depend on the prospective, But ethics have nothing to do with terms of imagery sides.

"Good" and "evil" are the fruits of labor of romantic fools and self righteous zealots. Just an illusion, Nothing more.


I KNOW THAT! I know good and evil don't exist! I've said it over three times in this entire thread! I just said the human brain automatically divides things to good and bad, black and white, right and wrong. That's the way things work. If you don't understand my logic, try reading through every post I've made. I'm certain you'll see I've been repeating the same damn thing for four to five times.
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Postby Sarcasm » Wed Apr 12, 2006 10:23 am

I hear your words, I understand what you mean to say by them, But I do not understand what you base them upon, As I have already said, We'll likely never agree.
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Postby Legend of the Past » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:25 am

You're saying there is no such thing as good and evil. I agree. You say those are only tags humans made. I agree to that, as well. However, if humans made them, and every human makes that division to some extent. Lun is human. Hence, Lun makes that division, too. All I'm saying is that in the world Lun created, there can and probably is good and evil. I go by the logic that Lun is human. Nothing moer.
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Postby Imoto » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:45 am

Legend of the Past wrote:You're saying there is no such thing as good and evil. I agree. You say those are only tags humans made. I agree to that, as well. However, if humans made them, and every human makes that division to some extent. Lun is human. Hence, Lun makes that division, too. All I'm saying is that in the world Lun created, there can and probably is good and evil. I go by the logic that Lun is human. Nothing moer.


But you have said nothing to prove that humans do make those divisions.

Personally, I don't even understand the concept of evil. What the hell is it even?
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Postby Sarcasm » Wed Apr 12, 2006 11:50 am

I love you, Really

Well, I dont.

But I completely agree with you.
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Postby Telephalsion » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:02 pm

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Any type of female.
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Postby Sage Of The Wise » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:45 pm

But you have said nothing to prove that humans do make those divisions.

I never liked the whole good/bad disscussions since they never go anywere, but damn this statement brings a new low. Honestly, he needs to prove that humans make a division between good and evil? The fact that the concepts exist in the first place is proof enough, not to mention multitudes of other things that could be said.
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Postby Sarcasm » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:57 pm

You have skipped the word Naturally .
LotP claims that humans Naturally do so,
And cannot flee this basic instinct.
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Postby Legend of the Past » Wed Apr 12, 2006 12:59 pm

Have you ever smelled sour milk and said: 'Uh, this smells bad!'? Have you ever looked at an handsome person and thought: 'Wow, he looks good!'? Have you ever thought of people who did terrible acts like Hitler, Stalin and other terrible dictators and thought: 'Those people are terrible!'? You've played the Way and call it the finest video game ever.

I'm certain you've thought of at least one or two of those. You've just called something good, and something else bad. You've made the division. You make it every day. Every minute of your life. So does Lun. He said: 'This guy will be the main villain, this guy will be the hero, this guy will be some bad person who stabs Rhue and throws him into the Pits.'
He's made such a division. There's good, bad, evil, vicious, rightous, matyr, there are many divisions. But all of these fall under the catagories of people who do good things and people who do bad things.
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